Jack & White Bros Round Last 9: Probably the best fit now. As Im a women who is looking for well made leather shoes, I have even smaller heels than the male feet in comparison to feet length. "The quality control isnt quite as good as the English as well.. Sadly brands like Edward Green, Lobb and Cleverly are now so beyond my price point that I wonder if theyre now in the realm of diminishing returns? Id highly recommend it for more detail all of these brands, particularly on the technical side. 65 last 10D: Bad fit. Interesting. Ive tried Lobb, G&G and EG and have notice better uppers but not an increase in comfort compared to C&J handgrade that to me, are the sweet spot of the English shoe made in Northampton at a sensibly lower prices than the top makers. You can use these comfortable shoes to show up appropriately for most events, in the most positive ways possible. JavaScript is disabled. Update: had to take the leather insert out, just couldn't deal with how shallow the toe box is. 1. to my eye, both look too large for you based on these pics. Not having a physical shop makes a small difference, as does not selling wholesale or using an agent, but that doesnt translate to a shoe thats twice the quality. Carmina is the best of the Mallorca-based shoemakers (which includes Meermin and TLB Mallorca), but is more expensive than either Meermin or Spier & Mackay by about double. Not a thick sock last. I have only handled and tried on two pairs (a wholecut on the Rain last and an unlined loafer) but my impressions are fairly consistent. I started out with Allen Edmunds because they offer reasonably priced shoes (for Americans) with decent quality. Carmina shoes are more comfortable, stable, flexible, durable, and stylish than the Meermin shoes. Moderate arch. Carmina shoes are stylish, comfortable, unique, durable, and very cost-effective. My personal experience I can unreservedly recommend Allen Edmonds (the Strand in particular). I also have a pair of Loding chelsea boots (and other Loding things) I think in the end theyre too narrow for me. Baker's recommended 8.5D, but I think I would have been happier with 9D. Meermin (above) has also become big, mostly in the US. Thanks for the response. Job done. Im looking forward to stopping by! What Id like to know is how much higher quality will the Trickers be over the Myrqvists? Own 2 pairs and ordering a 3rd in this last. Both of my pinky toes stick slightly out, sometimes I say I have splayed toes, but it's really just the pinky toe on each foot likes a bit of room. In the end I find it would be the most comfortable of all three lasts. I'm looking at a cobbler union in a 312 last they recommended 1.5 down from brannock. Truman P-79 9D: Nice fit. Compared to the HOK 9 and 2030 9.5 this started with the loosest heel, which lead to a bit of slop, but broke in with some wear. This includes Loake 1880, Carlos Santos, Morjas, Myrqvist, Skolyx, Grenson, Carmina and TLB Artista and Id like to share some of my experiences. A nice watch is also showing something. I have handled several other pairs of C&J and this quality to the leather is consistent throughout. For Try Saphir Shoe-Eze, it actually works. It is certain that a great pair of Carmina shoes would last you longer than any pair of Meermin shoes today. The dress shoes classics hold their own. I think Carmina sizing, at first, looks simple but if you read into it, there are lots of strange variations. $215 shipped to the US. I guess the issue is that I've not worn an English shoe before. Alden Van (unlined shell): 10D, ended up selling before fully breaking in. And of course I could be wrong, but still believe theres something behind it. Quoddy maliseets in lined suede: 11D, fits amazingly. Spain level 2: Berwick, Sendra and Meermin. A 42 would be too large and a 41 too small. Very comfortable, heel is a smidge roomy, but overall an extremely comfortable last. * **Vass P2** EU41.5 comfortable fit but too much toe volume and instep. Might not be the same for everyone, but many who havent tried bespoke shoes would be very happy once they do, that Im quite sure off. Crocketts uses good quality raw materials, particularly the upper, but the make is a bit simpler. Parkhurst 602 Last 9D: Fit well off the bat, little to no break-in. I wear chup socks with all of my shoes and boots these days, but for some of these I wore Darn Tough crew light or Darn Tough cushioned boot socks. 10 Best Ortholite Replacement Insoles (Reviewed in 2022), 11 Best Water Shoes for Water Parks | Footslide, Highly-Durable Shoe Construction and Design, Meermins dont last as long as Carmina shoes, You can get most Carminas for cost prices between 341 and 407, You can buy Meermin shoes for prices between $160 and $210. The best made, best value quality shoe on the market is Joseph Cheaney by a country mile. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[580,400],'footslide_com-medrectangle-3','ezslot_13',107,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-medrectangle-3-0');Let us see what Carmina shoes and Meermin shoes look like at first glance: One of the most elegant shoes out there today is the Carmina shoes. The quotes throughout are his. https://eu.jmweston.com/en/collections/bottines-homme/products/edouard-chukka-boot-homme-cuir-veau-velours-marron-fonce, Thats certainly a risk with some French brands, but not usually with Weston. Second is a Loake 1880 snuff suede apron derby boot. Lovely article! You must log in or register to reply here. Simon, I really appreciate the articles lately with a focus on quality at a more approachable price point. Their last is made for the Japanese feet, which are flatter in general with a smaller heel. Velasca is an Italian brand that has become popular (they opened on Chiltern Street recently) as has German brand Shoepassion (which makes in Spain). all have factory shops if you are looking for a classic style but at a price closer to a discounted Loake. Ostmo Moe 43.5: Tried these on and this was a bang on size. Many thanks for your prompt response most helpful. Here there the number of brands increases, particularly with start-ups. They wear down quickly.. **. Dont buy both together though do buy one then the other, just to make sure you do like that style and fit etc. No worries at all, its much appreciated. To put JC on the same shelf as JL, EG, STC and the like is certainly a stretch. These shoes are well-appraised by people worldwide for their comfort, style, and proper appearance. Customers cant stop talking about Carminas. Coming up on the PS Shop this Autumn/Winter, Tailoring for travelling: tough, comfortable, plain, So in order to create a frame of reference, I phoned Jesper Ingevaldsson, who writes the website, These are two of the best known shoe brands internationally, with Crocketts a British mainstay and, The English brands at this price level are, The level above that is made in Japan, and includes brands like, . Id have to say that, based on my personal experience, the C&J shops are one of the great strengths of the company. Allen Edmonds is perhaps most similar to Loake or Barker. CJ or Alden or even something slightly lower end like Lof & Tung that is made more tastefully) and higher end makers (e.g. 18 Last 10: Great fit. These are two of the best known shoe brands internationally, with Crocketts a British mainstay and Carmina (above) coming to prominence in the past 10 years. Suede. Frankly, I wouldnt wear anything else. However, I would recommend ones like TLB and Skolyx that I have had experience with. I just had the opportunity to try on some Carminas in store. Obviously also a difference style of shoe, but those companies spend so much on marketing and sales compared to these makers, that they are inevitably worse value purely from a quality point of view. With that said, the number of good bespoke shoemakers that will make sure to both deliver good fitting and very well-made shoes is still very high in the world. 5 years ago, I probably would have bought an Oxford of some kind. The quality of the leather is identical. More disclosure is called for before putting a disclaimer on others situation. Im not sure what you have to back up that this wouldnt be the case? They look nice but if I know Ill be in shoes the entire day and might walk a bit I do not wear them. With shoes, up to a certain quite high price point, you get what you pay for and further this is possible to judge objectively. With TLB, you could choose a more versatile dark-brown calf, or perhaps brown suede but with leather soles. I would instead recommend taking this last TTS and just wearing thick socks as sometimes it can run small. This is interesting my experience is the complete opposite. Ive found one Cheaney last with a wide toe box that works for me by sizing down so that the heel fits but very little success with other makers. Alden Barrie: I can be comfortable in Bluchers in 8.5E. Total:1,176 (members:154, guests:1,022), Preorders, Group Made-to-order, trunk shows, and o. Ive also, more recently, experienced the customer service at GC and G&G excellent in both cases, as was the consistently good service at the Little Cheaney shop in Leeds, when I lived in the North of England. Overall, Meermins are not as good as Carminas because the Meermin shoes seem to be poorly finished when they are compared to the Carminas. They have done a small amount of RTW for a while, its just enlarged recently. Yanko 915 3 eyelet derby 9.5UK: Probably more form fitting and snug than tlb or carmina (probably due to sizing down) but near perfect in shape. NWT Pual Smith Linen, Cotton & Silk Blend Neck Tie in Navy w/ White Polka Dots from MR Porter, New w/ Tag $200+ Brioni Italian Made Woven Silk Purple Paisley Neck Tie from Bergdorf Goodman, Vintage Dunhill English Made Black Leather Long Wallet. When you go to shoe shows like Micam, the Berwick stand is always the one that's crowded.. I am surprised that you didnt cover Italian brands in more detail given their popularity. You could specify any combo you wanted (dark navy to black, or dark purple to black, etc.) Back to Morjas specifically. AE is placed well below C&J and Carmina, lacklusterly portrayed together with cheaper brands, and tied with Loake. Both these shoemakers offer value far and a way above a UK shoe at a similar price point so they really are worth a look for a person prepared to put in the effort. Interesting times and personal style journey. You basically double your costs from stock carry. For a RTW offering, without additional charge, that is a massive advantage for anyone wary of shelling out for MTM alternatives, and I would have expected something worth telling readers. Im really looking forward to the promised article on TLB Artista. They are both leather lined with a full leather insole and both have a Goodyear welted single leather sole. The question there is how long such value lasts, when the company grows or takes on new costs. Carmina Shoes - Definitive Thread (reviews, advice, sizing, etc) - official thread. In terms of value I would say CJ handgrade. With Meermins, you get a refined-classy style that is set to rule the modern scene. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, This is an example of what a good comment looks like. Its a solid fit. Noel it is precisely the point you make that has been behind my long standing decision to stay with C&J over all these years. My C&J 337 is a bit loose in 10UK but too tight in 9.5UK; my Carmina Simpson Oxford is comfortably snug in 10UK (which is how I like my shoes to fit.) And all the time there are new makers trying to offer quality for a little less, for a saving of 50 perhaps - or trying to up their quality at the same price. Perhaps if I lived in Spain I would got to a Carmina store to gauge their quality and service. But there is also some variation in what you get. I'll only really be taking 2030 in 8.5 for 2017-2020 made pairs. MP/Barrie 9.5E: Excellent fit right out of the box with thick or thin socks. It will be creeping in going forward too, whenever it makes sense. Foot extends past footbed on sides. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Did you ever talk to them about what is the rationale behind this strategy? One think really dont understand is why GC dilute their brand with the C&J RTW line instead of focusing on the Anthony Cleverley line which I hardly see being sold anywhere. These classy are built for the ultimate style, comfort, functionality, and elegance of the elite. I would like to recommend Trading Post in Japan. But its a not a secret that English brands, in general (this for example does not go for the premium brands) use less good leather soles than Spanish and Italian makers of welted shoes, in general. 1757 last 10D: Great roomy fit as I recall from trying in a store over a year ago. Jack, I havent looked at Weston in quite a while Im afraid Jack, but from what I remember they are around that kind of level, yes. On the otherhand Viberg Halketts and 145s fit a bit smaller in the same last. Rancourt 114 9D: Great fit sometimes. Leo 9.5E: Excellent fit with thin socks. Really appreciate the advice. Will post more fit notes when they arrive. Good arch support that's sculpted to he foot instead of the PNW Ladder rung shape. I realise this may seem like a simple choice, and maybe thats exactly what youll say, but Im only 25 years old and money is definitely a consideration. The other thing about Carmina is they have increased prices and reduced quality in some areas in recent years. I purchased a pair of chocolate brown suede chukkas from AFPOS a number of years ago, and the suede is a beautiful colour and has maintained its nap really well. 8 last 9D: Bad fit. Most brands provide one width per shoe/last, which in the end really limits your ability to find the right fit (not to mention, to find the right fit for the shoe you actually want to buy). I have to say that influencers, like Andreas Weinas, who keep plugging those kinds of brands using superlative language bear some of the responsibility for misleading people. Custom ordered these with a combination last of 9.5E toe and 9.5D heel. Were not aiming to cover the whole market here, by a long way the focus is on cheaper shoes that we would never normally cover on Permanent Style, really below 300. A couple of corrections on your US list Simon. Some of the best dress shoes that you can get with your money today are the Carminas and the Meermins. For example, I got two new boots from the UK this week: a shell Carmina balmoral at just over $500 USD and C&J Galway 2 at just under $390 USD. Any other top level comments will be deleted. To take an example, say youre in the market for an adelaide. It requires more knowledge to be able to see the difference between welted shoes at different stages of the quality segment, in general. Many people have fallen in love with the Carminas because of how good-looking they are. Overall, Carmina shoes are better than Meermin shoes. I cant comment as to what anything is like higher up the scale but they are both the best looking and most comfortable shoes I own (more than my hiking boots or running shoes). Just make sure Trickers does not end up too chunky for you. Alden Plaza 9.5D: One of best fitting lasts, feels great. Avoid if you have a low instep or wide feet. Is it enough to justify the extra 75 quid per pair? TLB Mallorca: I own a wingtip on the Alan last. Im sure PS readers would disagree! Premium Leather Uppers stitched down well with Goodyear Welting strategies make the Carmina shoes to be one of the most well-finished shoes that we have had the privilege of wearing. Parkhurst 9D: Great fit. I have room for my toes, but my foot isnt rattling around. Maybe something in the weight of the shoes or its balance, but nothing apparent in construction. Edward Green)? Though, unsure of sizing, thanks. Lets not forget also that a bespoke shoe with a fiddle-back waist and angled heels can also have an element of vanity (albeit smaller than a watch). I guess they are really strong in the marketing department indeed. Cheers Michael, its hard to appreciate that price differential from over here in the EU. The Shell Cordovan, non-Alden Shoe and Boot Thread, Find reviews, recommendations, tips about and appreciation of fine cutlery here. A very useful piece for me as Im slowly getting into the joys of proper shoes. Skolyx is easily the best budget tier brand I have come across. They've seen a lot of rain, snow, slush and worst of all, salt. Carmina shoes are more comfortable, flexible, and relaxing than the Meermins. **The older 2040s are tighter, because of the older style of heel pad, if you find it too tight I recommend considering swapping out the heel pads. 11D would've been better out of the box but CXL is very forgiving. Sounds like a nice choice of shoes. However, when I visited meermin pop up in London, I dont think I would ever get a black box calf from them! But whats my experience, and I know for many others as well who have good bespoke shoes, is that the experience of wearing them, with the snug comfortable fit, excellent arch support etc, widely triumph wearing RTW/MTO Goodyear welted shoes. Travel Shoes Poll: What shoes do you bring with you on short trips? Initially uncomfortably tight across the vamp in shell and with moderate heal slip. Rancourt 800 9D: Great fit. Good article. It was snug, but not tight, and I could tell that they would fit perfectly once the sole settles. Trickers appears to have a wider breadth to me, especially in country shoes and boots in lots of leathers and colours. For more comparison, check these pairs out:CARMINA SHOESMEERMIN SHOES. Does that refer to leather- or rubber ones? Although classed as subs, most of the time you would be hard pushed to see why. Having a shorter HTT than HTB allows me to wear it 1 down from by brannock. I was very impressed with the integrity of your website after reading IS THIS AN ADVERT? I think the short answer is that yes, it is expensive to add an extra width across all shoes. I find the shoe discussion to be an interesting one. This separates footwear from most of fashion and it feels good to support the companies that work towards this. Particularly for certain watches perhaps, although less likely for certain muted bespoke suits which might fit better but wont look more expensive than a good of-the-peg one. Switching to thin socks gives a very relaxed fit. Here's some of my sizing for reference: Meermin RON 11.5 medium Tricker's Bourton 10.5 Tricker's Stow 11 Carmina Xim UNLINED 10.5 Carmina Simpson 11.5 Alden Grant 11.5 Perhaps someone will find them useful: 1. Hence, vanity wins (maybe). Personally, I like their lasts quite a bit. He is, at the moment, offering something special forum readers. Brett has called it an EE width in the past, I don't think its much wider than the 2030 at the ball where it matters most, but the heel is extra wide and the toe box doesn't taper as much so there's more toe room as well. Additionally the soles of Cheaney arent as hard wearing either, I have needed more frequent resoles. I now have 3 different pairs on that Cheaney last. I like my shoes with a long point extra shiny..low like Aldos Most brands in that price segment have fewer offers for you in terms of lasts. May have been fine with thinner socks. It's a reasonably generous last. Perhaps other readers can. If you wanted something sleeker, and dont mind it being slightly more delicate then JM Weston. If youre better of with 2 pairs of JC than 1 pair of JL is another question. RON 9: Terrible fit. The former you appreciate in the shoes over time. I spoke to folks at Carmina and got somewhat mixed opinions, the wrench in the equation being size variances on the lasts for both unlined and shell materials. Id highly recommend it for more detail all of these brands, particularly on the technical side. Slightly tight on mid-foot for the first day. 9.5D heel to toe. And in pictures I can see a difference in appearance, at least in terms of shape and design, but I am not sure if there is much of a difference elsewhere (I get that bespoke and such will fit nicer). You get slightly better quality with Carmina at a cheaper price. If anything, I would say last and design are the least obvious things they are the easiest ones to mimic. Again, a big thank you to Simon and Jesper for the article. Also Berwick, Yanko and others. Carminas actually have better fits than Meermin shoes. With Carmina you can get a more refined shoe - closed-channel stitching, a more bevelled waist and so on. Theyre a solid make with a little paid for the brand, and decent value in the States - though not elsewhere, where duties make them much more expensive. But in the same moment, I realised this was unfair. I converted my US size to UK and got that one, should have done 1/2 down from UK. I guess you get what you pay for but this level of quality for the leather should be mentioned. You talk a lot about nicer shoes on PS and how they are much nicer. However Id like to venture another (partial) explanation (I have bespoke garments but no bespoke shoes): If the fit on an RTW shoe is good (comfortable all day, no blisters once broken in), is it really worth moving from C&J handgrade to bespoke? Thursday Dress last 9.5D: Quite narrow, I wear thinner socks with these. Really useful local knowledge, thanks David. I think that chukka looks nice. Certainly compared to other parts of the shoe. Theyre all Spanish except Septieme Largeur, which is French but made in Spain. 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