"[3] He is referred to by Hoid as "the Lord of Scars. He tells Spook that this healing was Kelsier's parting gift. [39], The plan was to secretly build up an army of twenty thousand trained skaa soldiers in the Arguois caverns while at the same time causing confusion and distrust in the nobility to cause a house war. Kelsier had traveled there several years after the Catacendre, inhabiting a physical body that was spiked in the right eye, and found the Southern Scadrians slowly dying of an unexplained coldness. Together with his wife Mare, he led daring heists and gained great renown. He also knew at that point he'd been too much of a problem for the Lord Ruler. And you will be ruled by them. Despite what he has told the Ghostbloods, Kelsier does not have a real avatar. if TLR was spiked? The book was first published in July 17th 2006 and the latest edition of the book was published in July 31st 2007 which eliminates all the known issues and printing errors. He just didnt really understand the point you were trying to get to with your theory, so he asked. But were talking about the Lord Ruler, and he was standing up the whole time. Started by When he arrived in Luthadel, he first reunited with his old partner and best friend Dockson. The genius. When Kelsier is offered a deal by the rebel skaa Yeden to overthrow the Lord Ruler, he quickly accepts. You are filling this thread with posts that are not needed and not wanted. Except if you remove the spike, you leave the alteration because the Identity is not matched. In the hundreds of years following his death at the hands of Rashek, Kelsier was revived with the help of Spook and Harmony, becoming a messiah known as the Sovereign to the Southern Scadrians. I dont mean to sound aggravated or anything. Which is kind of how Id always imagined it. He told Suit that the Set had decided that allowing civilization on Scadrial to continue was too dangerous and that they decided to remove life on this sphere instead. The creature then activated an explosive device, apparently killing Suit. Kelsier protested, earning himself a violent beating, whereupon he Snapped. TenSoon wears Kelsier's bones to glean information about Vin from Luthadel guards. . He was dead anyways. Or does Sanderson have yet more secrets to reveal? Not again. The new skin is based on Kelsier, a central character of the series. When that happened, after everything he and Vin went through, I was in a state of sadness for days. At some point, Kelsier had the Ghostbloods on Scadrial work in order to resist the oncoming threat of Trell. His other role involved using his reputation as the Survivor of Hathsin to inspire the newly-trained skaa soldiers. Now lets talk a bit more in depth about Kelsier, and what hes been up to. Wayne is also a twinborn; his skills are Slider (creating speed bubbles) and Bloodmaker (he can store health in his metalminds in order to help facilitate healing). In Bands of Mourning, we were introduced to the Malwish, a culture from Southern Scadrial. I want to know if it is relevant, because when things are relevant, they become not just interesting and thought provoking, but actually important. Their relationship was the sort to where Gavilar was quick to believe that he was the one who ordered his murder. the original post says a lot: Are you asking if the rebels were influencedby Ruin? "Now, let's go jump that wall."Based on Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn novels, where Kelsier first teaches Vin about Allomancy.The boards are also available on. Most of the information in this article has been culled from The Coppermind, the definitive Sanderson knowledge base on the internet. He was the one who organized, the one who took all of the wild brainstorming and turned it into a viable operation. He also ran into Vin and was shocked to see how far she had come in the time he was away. Though they suffered many setbacks, Kelsier's leadership allowed the rebellion to attain an army of sufficient size to hold Luthadel. He is the central figure of the religion known as the Church of the Survivor. He also searched far and wide for possible ways to defeat the Lord Ruler, and managed to find an ingot of the fabled Eleventh Metal (he claimed he had found it in the west, which is considered to be a lie. Now with over 10 million copies sold, The Mistborn Series has the thrills of a heist story, the twistiness of political intrigue, and the epic scale of a landmark fantasy saga. On its relevancy, just because it has spawned a discussion does not make it relevant to the present and futureCosmere. Under the Citizen's rule, all noblemen and even skaa of noble ancestry were to be executed, and any sort of luxury is declared illegal. [36] There he spent his time believing that his wife Mare had betrayed him to the Lord Ruler until he witnessed his wife being beaten to death by guards after she gifted her Atium bead to him. , When several skaa from the rebellion were about to be executed, Kelsier attempts to save them. Later on, we follow Kelsier having a conversation with Sazed on the events that had happened, the lack of Metalborn, and Sazed's inability to act. Thus Kelsier's mother was killed, and because of this, the brothers have a deep hatred of noblemen. [24] After his death, OreSeur takes his bones and appears before several groups of skaa, making them believe that Kelsier survived somehow. Kelsier sought and eventually found the Eleventh metal as he believed it would help him to defeat the Lord Ruler. [54] Secretly, however, he knew that Ruin would send Marsh to intercept the message, and was hoping that reading the message would give Marsh the information he needed to remove Vin's earring, which was also a Hemalurgic spike that was keeping her from taking up Preservation's power. This is why I love Brandon. Be aware that in its current state, it may not include all additional content yet. We dont really know if the rebels that stabbed TLR used enough force to get the head of the spear all the way through his body so the metal head of the spear wouldnt be touching him. It was Kelsier's "death" that truly connected me to the Cosmere universe. Solid in the metal you fed to Elend. In Era 2, followers of Kelsier are known as Survivorists. Steris and Marasi are both followers of this religion. Will it be revealed to be the Big Bad of the series after all? You cant discuss a theory with only the people who agree with it. All I want is for you to clarify your theory. Ughcreepy. When Marasi Colms discovers an agent of the Ghostbloods, Moonlight, she manages to convince her to take Marasi to a warehouse in Bilming to aid in the fight against the Set. He is almost always late to gatherings, which he attributes to always having somewhere better to be. While he is incapable of leaving Scadrial in person, he uses an "avatar" to visit the Ghostbloods on Roshar. He is presumably the founding member of the Ghostbloods, a secret society investigating the Cosmere and ways to travel between all the different worlds. As the Sovereign, Kelsier ruled the Southern Scadrians for a time and formed another religion that deified Metalborn, and then he left. [2] He is capable of using them with a high degree of precision to control the momentum and rotation of dozens of pieces of metal simultaneously. In the following months, Kelsier himself took on many roles to further the plan, acting as a beacon to the repressed skaa, assisting in recruitment,[30] attacking many noblemen to increase the tensions between the Great Houses,[16], collecting information by purchasing it from informants, and even posing as an informant in order to provide misinformation to noblemen. The Lost Metal is looming large on the horizon (its out in two weeks! Now we are two Books deep into the Second Era and maybe i need to re-read them with more cosmere awareness but i cant remember any hints of a Cognitiv/Cosmereaware Kelsier . Kelsier later said that "he had more Money than he could Spend" however, after a failed attempt at stealing from the Lord Ruler in his secret room inside Kredik Shaw, he was sent to the atium mines in the Pits of Hathsin. Ive done my best to include things that I think youll need to know going into the next book. He was dead anyways. He has been described by Brandon Sanderson as a psychopath. He offered to teach her about gold and atium, gave her the money he took from Camon, and allowed her to leave, as he didn't want to force anybody into his crew. Dick was so focused on the rhythm of movement and moving toward the name, he almost missed the quiet sound of a cloak fluttering behind him. You seem to want to shut down theories that are too complex for you to understand. [32] He also had Codenames send messages to Steris and the Ghostblood agents in the Elendel Basin, telling them to prepare for an evacuation of Elendel. He does this in order to fight the Lord Ruler's oppression of all the skaa, wanting to have one thing which cannot be taken away from him. Kelsier is a half-skaa Mistborn from Scadrial. The Lord Ruler served as the target of Kel's final escapade, a superb thief and natural leader. Information about books that have not yet been released, like the other secret novels releasing in 2023 and Stormlight 5, is allowed only on meta-pages for the books themselves. [43][77] Merely interacting with Hoid for a brief amount of time was enough to send Kelsier into a murderous rage. Kelsier would beat Kaladin in a straight fight as he is prone to using dirty tactics. The Lord Ruler is pierced through the chest with a spear, basically a long spike, then uses that spear to stab Kelsier. But was that truly the end of his tale? [citation needed], To put the plan in motion, Kelsier first targeted Keep Venture, as House Venture was the currently most powerful house in Luthadel and an attack on it would have the greatest impact. Kelsier: The famed Survivor of Hathsin, a half-skaa mistborn who led a revolution against the Lord Ruler. Mistborn Wiki is a FANDOM Books Community. Like a way to copy that little bit of spiritweb, so the spike can be removed or, god forbid, reused. The issue with a spear is if the metal head is all the way out of the body, and only the wooden haft is actually touching. Marasi and MeLaan rescue him, and he assists them on their quest to find the Bands of Mourning. He was unable to do so and leaves the bit of metal for Vin, asking her in a note to figure it out. [6] He is stern and intense, but always smiling; another act of rebellion against the Lord Ruler's oppression. We do it because we want to. Im going to proceed with this article under the assumption that youve read it, so if you havent, there will be some MAJOR spoilers. I am not trying to shut this theory down as you would say, I am trying to understand the theory, because as you said, I want to discuss it,and your post telling people who dont understand what you are saying because you are so unclear are even more uneccesary, aggressive, and frankly very rude. However, Mare's use of Allomancy was sensed by the Steel Inquisitors (since they could pierce copperclouds), and Kelsier and Mare were captured by the Lord Ruler. The newly installed king of Luthadel, Elend Venture, often inquires about Kelsier's traits and skills, hoping that he can learn to lead as effectively as the Survivor once did. And the whole point of the Cosmere Discussion forumis to discuss irrelevant theories and minutiae about the Cosmere. Thankfully, a certain someone found them (see Kelsiers section below) and helped them to survive. Kelsier held Preservation for a short time but was bad at using it because he was a Cognitive Shadow at the time and did not match well with Preservation's Intent. When Kelsier's father discovered the truth of their parentage, he had their mother executed and attempted to do the same to the brothers, who fled. Cause I see what could be considered3 different theories in this one post. So, Im kind of with Ishar a little bit. Marsh, who was also in love with Mare, came to resent Kelsier for winning her love and for constantly outshadowing him with his frivolty. [20] He is arrogant and very driven which, combined with his power, makes him incredibly dangerous;[21] he is willing to go extremely far to achieve his goalsfor example, he would be willing to use Hemalurgy on a large scale to create powerful Allomancers if ultimately necessary to protect Scadrial from other forces in the cosmerethough is not quite as utilitarian as Taravangian. He has an imposing presence and is a natural leader, easily taking charge and swaying even the downtrodden skaa of Luthadel into joining the rebellion with his charming personality. A natural leader, Kelsier used his charismatic personality to draw skilled and loyal Mistings to his own crew and eventually to lead a rebel army. Despite her supposed betrayal, Kelsier never stopped loving her. When Marsh caught Vin in Luthadel, he attacked Ruin with Preservation's power, weakening Ruin's control over Marsh just enough for Marsh to rip out Vin's earring. This one is gonna be a RAFO for what his true plan is and if there is influence somewhere. [33] As a result, he has both regular vision and the steelsight that Inquisitors used, allowing him to see via both normal light and trace metals. He helped the people there survive using his knowledge of the Metallic Arts, showing them how to make metalminds to store attributes like heat in a way that could be shared with anyone. Luthadel [ edit] Dockson met his death with a sword in hand during the Battle of Luthadel. Sixteen months later, when Kelsier was unable to get his weekly atium geode, Mare gave Kelsier hers, claiming that she had found two that week. The Inquisitor and some soliders followed Camon to find his hideout to wipe out his crew, but Kelsier lured the Inquisitor away by using his own Allomancy while Dockson took out the soldiers. [48] He ultimately only took a glass orb from them after thwarting their plan to take over become the Vessel of Preservation after Leras' death. He is confronted by a Steel Inquisitor, which he eventually manages to defeat by beheading him with the Inquisitor's own obsidian axe. The first glimpse we had of Trells influence was at the end of Alloy of Law in the form ofMiles Hundredlives dying proclamation: You are fools! The Lord Ruler openly thanked Mare for helping his forces find the thieves, and from this, Kelsier was led to the false conclusion that Mare had purposefully betrayed him. The Bands of Mourning follows our group of heroes as they begin a quest to find the titular Bands of Mourning, a legendary and extraordinarily powerful artifact. This was a character that I connected with and he showed true traits of a Robin Hood-hero. Even if he had, Kelsier died after being stabbed by the spear, but a hemalurgic spike would not kill: vital organs actually move to accommodatethe spike and keep the subject alive. I worried about doing this, actually, since it seemed a little too expected. Alloy of Law served mostly to introduce us to the main characters (and we will go into each of them in more depth below). Marasi Colms: An Allomantic Pulser (able to slow down time in a bubble around herself) and a constable in the Elendel constabulary. Even if it weren't a viable metal, as a Mistborn he would have been able to burn it, and he wasn't able to sense it at all. Then, in Shadows of Self, Paalm was using a spike supplied by Trell to gain Allomantic and Feruchemical abilities, as well as to remain invisible to Harmony. Before the trilogy began, Kelsier was the greatest Crewleader any Skaa had known. Kelsier is a former thief from the capital city of Luthadel. . Sure, maybe it would be active for a split second when touching blood or whatever like you said,but as soon as the head passes out of his body on the other side, it wouldnt affect him anymore. At the beginning of the novella, Kelsier is killed by the Lord Ruler, but refuses to pass on to the Beyond, and instead becomes trapped in the Cognitive Realm, between the Physical and Spiritual realm. Kelsier was the primary mentor of Vin and crewleader to the gang who was credited for overthrowing the Final Empire. In his interactions with them, he goes by another name you might recognize if youre a Stormlight fan Thaidakar. Kelsier is one of the titular characters of the first Mistborn novel, leading a crew of ruffians and thieves on a mission to assassinate The Lord Ruler, and end his tyranny over the lands of Scadrial. It all kind of depends on that. At the end of TheBands of Mourning, we learn that aside from the Survivorists, there is also a whole civilization of people far to the south of Elendel that worships Kelsier, calling him the Sovereign. Even though that is the OP, it would also be good to know where the discussion has evolved too, cause I am confused by that too. However, this apparition of Kelsier is eventually revealed to be Ruin in disguise. It gains its Hemalurgic charge as soon as it touches moving blood. My bad. He burned down the manor and purposely departed in a way that forced the skaa to join the rebellion. He finds Vin and Ham near the steps of Keep Venture and also learned that Dockson had died in the Battle of Luthadel. Waxillium Ladrian was a direct descendant of a close associate of Kelsier, Edgard Ladrian. [16][35][37], Seeing his powers, Gemmel wondered what he unleashed upon the world in teaching Kelsier allomancy. The "Survivor's Statemark" is one of the symbols of the faith. He then asked Preservation if they are God, and after being told yes he promptly punched Preservation in the face. People tell me I can be downright frustrating! "[3] Kelsier is Iyatil's master. Its relevant to the past in the cosmere. While difficult, it is possible to obtain atium and lerasium from ettmetal, but not through mechanical means. Repeating myself over and over because Im misunderstood gets annoyingreal quick, so I wanna make sure Im clear with what I say. He hates injustice and takes this hatred to the extreme, which originally resulted in him being unable to see good in any of the nobility. Kelsier often kills nobility and the skaa who serve them with absolutely no qualms. One of Kelsier's defining characteristics is his infallible optimism, even in the face of disastrous situations. [53][54] He used this opportunity to tell Spook to send a message to Vin, warning her that any spiked person could potentially be under Ruin's control. [25], Kelsier is known as Thaidakar[3] to the Ghostbloods, a secret society that operates on several planets, including Roshar. Breeze, Ham, Clubs, and Clubs' nephew Spook joined his crew. For one of them, Kelsier's crew planned to steal the Lord Ruler's atium cache, which they believed lay hidden in Kredik Shaw. They also have some sort of ties to. Shadows of Self begins with Wax now working in conjunction with the Elendel constabulary. Then he killed the noble Lord Renoux and let OreSeur impersonate him. This information has the ability to potentially ruin elements of the plot for the reader. In the meantime, keep an eye out for a non-spoiler review of The Lost Metal coming up next week. With the garrison gone and the nobility weakened by the war, the rest of the army then could take over Luthadel. You just posted an irrelevant comment that was honestly a little hostile. While conversing with Harmony regarding the case, Harmony said that Wax's casual way of talking to him reminded him of Kelsier. [67] Harmony also made vague allusions to the Southern Scadrians that Kelsier once ruled as the Sovereign. It was Mare who gave Kelsier a drawing of a flower, a remnant of a time before ash clouded the sky and plants grew withered and brown. While held in an Elendel jail, Suit was visited by a mysterious creature with red eyes. The Skaa still would have rebelled, Vin still wouldve gone after TLR, and they still wouldve won. Personally I don't think that Ruin had left a mark. Now that weve got that basic synopsis out of the way, lets start off with a handy character primer. A women by the codename of Codenames Are Stupid, opens communication with the leader of the Ghostbloods by the means of a seon, which shows Kelsier on an airship travelling to Elendel. He forced the rest of the crew to leave, only leaving Vin. 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